视频为证，浅谈我阿三角短传攻击快艇模块成雏形等亮点

showfun

用google中图片搜索就能搜到的，不过挺费事的

下面这链接，就很直接了。搜索体育明星图片，都可以的

http://www.daylife.com/topstories/sports?__site=daylife ...
Penelope 发表于 2012-8-16 21:13

多谢，这个网站很给力

ykydd

萨贝拉本质上不是在维护结果，而是在维护和延续球队的打法，如果真的想稳稳赢下比赛，他下半场根本不必撤下索萨变阵，现在和佩克尔曼时代的情形大不相同了，那个时候阿根廷球员整体跑动的意识尚在，球队怎么调也不 ...
showfun 发表于 2012-8-16 21:07

这个要强顶！老马巴蒂斯塔两人之前你还漏掉了巴西莱。三任教练啊，整整5年时间，5年，对足球世界来说，沧海都变桑田了。所以我们只要能看到阿根廷的进步就好，至于14年取得什么成绩，真不要有太大指望。

北极狐

又看了一下半场第80分钟丢球那一段视频，大概就是5分钟左右。

天使和小马都下场后，德国队反扑和推进很有章法，阿根廷中场拦截不力，战火被推到本方禁区前沿，又出现了下半场开场不久那一幕，这一次格策反越位下底没人跟得上，回敲给插上后卫胡德维斯，后者鱼跃冲顶破门。这一段时间，应该是阿根廷打得很狼狈时节。

随后阿根廷也有几次反击，梅西拿球个人长途奔袭，但因为与队友配合较少，最后都不成功。这与俺们前面所说的几人短传快速推进的思路有悖，效果明显不好，因为德国人在梅西到达禁区时就已经用几人围堵且封锁他的分球路线，这时队友也跑过位置。有2次都是这样的

北极狐

接下来再说说，这场比赛中阿根廷球员表现吧，主要结合goal网打分来说吧

北极狐

goal网给天使评分最高，4星半，主要理由是打入世界波，以及定位球间接得分；西瓜3星，却是本场最佳，遗憾的2次错失得分良机

在这里不妨先说说对天使一些看法吧，不太准确，因为上半场直播没看，主要是赛后看录像视频

没有上昆之前，天使与梅西和瓜联系，还是有欠缺的；他在场始终有威胁，这没问题，因为他既能跑传也能射门。但是，肿么能与队友配合将威胁转化成进球，还是个问题。

主贴提到阿根廷队三次成功配合中，天使仅在其中1次配合有1次传球作用（有可能不太准确）

那个世界波是他个人能力的绝佳体现，如果出现在上半场，或者比分被扳平时能反超的时机，效果更很大。例如，像大马06打入天外飞仙反超墨西哥、小罗02同样打入反超英格兰、94巴西战荷兰时那名中场球员（名字记不清了，布兰科？津霍？）定位球远射反超比分等等。

这种进球方式只能是球队常态化进球之外重要补充，但是时机得当，威慑震慑效果会更大。

阿根廷果冻

左边的罗霍还不是很稳健，据说有蒙松
加雷其实可以换成小狮王试试
萨巴莱塔助攻基本没有但稳健
中场加戈失误较多，几次被德国佬打反击，是否应该考虑换成其他人试试？
另外，总感觉西瓜，kun，梅西和天使越来越来电，这4个人，能否首发？

北极狐

左边的罗霍还不是很稳健，据说有蒙松
加雷其实可以换成小狮王试试
萨巴莱塔助攻基本没有但稳健
中场加戈失误较多，几次被德国佬打反击，是否应该考虑换成其他人试试？
另外，总感觉西瓜，kun，梅西和天使越来越来电 ...
阿根廷果冻 发表于 2012-8-17 10:58

goal网评分中，

守门员3星

后防线得分整体最低，2星-2星半，木有3星

中场得分最高，天使3星半、小马和索萨3星、加戈2星半

前场，西瓜3星（本场mvp，但评语较差，没写优点，只写到那是一场他与进球“有仇”的遗憾而尴尬的比赛，呵呵，老外就介么来夸奖mvp的）、梅西2星半（但评语不差，句子也最长，呵呵）

北极狐

左边的罗霍还不是很稳健，据说有蒙松
加雷其实可以换成小狮王试试
萨巴莱塔助攻基本没有但稳健
中场加戈失误较多，几次被德国佬打反击，是否应该考虑换成其他人试试？
另外，总感觉西瓜，kun，梅西和天使越来越来电 ...
阿根廷果冻 发表于 2012-8-17 10:58

现在中场防守还是个问题

但是要把防守全都交给小马和加戈，这又是一个奇怪的思维

天使和索萨，如果不能常回来协防小马和加戈，去帮助补防两肋空挡的话，那问题和隐患依然不会有多大解决

北极狐

goal网对德阿友谊赛中阿根廷首发和替补球员打分和点评
http://www.goal.com/en-us/match/80469/germany-vs-argentina/player-ratings

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Sergio Romero 3.0星
Had very little to do. Made an excellent point blank save to deny Ozil early on, but cruised through the rest of the match.

Ezequiel Garay 2.0星
Like Fernandez, was picked apart a couple of times early on, but had little to do once Germany were down to 10 men.

Federico Fernández 2.5星
As with Garay, struggled to deal with Klose and Reus' incisive running, but his evening was made all the easier by Zieler's dismissal.

Faustino Marcos Alberto Rojo 2.5星
Made an excellent tackle on the marauding Howedes and was always willing to get forward and help his team-mates. A decent performance from the Sporting left-back.

Pablo Zabaleta 2.0星
Not the best night for the Manchester City full-back, who picked up a yellow card for a clumsy tackle on Khedira and almost let Germany back into the contest with an own-goal.

Á. di María 3.5星
Scored a spectacular goal with a fantastic, scorching effort from distance. A persistent threat for the Germany defence.

Fernando Gago 2.5星
A neat and tidy performance in the centre of the park from the new Valencia signing. Had little to do against a limp German performance, though.

Javier Mascherano 3.0星
A fantastic night for Mascherano, whose most notable contribution was a goal-saving tackle on Khedira. Shielded his defence well, and was tidy in possession too.

José Sosa 3.0星
One of his side's more decisive performers in the first half, the Metalist man did well to set up Higuain for an eventually missed tap in.

Gonzalo Higuaín Top of the Match（本场最佳）3.0星
Not his finest night in front of goal. Was spared some embarrassment when an offside flag meant a glaring miss would not have counted and squandered numerous chances in front of goal

Lionel Messi 2.5星
May have missed the penalty after Zieler's red card, but more than atoned for it with a crisp finish in the second-half. Could have added to his tally were it not for some brave goalkeeping from Ter Stegen.

• Substitutions 替补

Hugo Armando Campagnaro 2.0星
Was given 25 minutes or so at right-back, but by this point the German challenge had long fizzled out.

Guiñazu 2.0星
Was introduced with 15 minutes remaining, but the game had long ceased to be a contest.

Rodrigo Braña 2.0星
Had just 10 minutes to impress, and was hardly involved.

Kun Agüero 2.0星
Was introduced for the second-half, but failed to impose himself on the game as his colleagues stole the limelight.

北极狐

德国队只有罗伊斯和替补许尔勒两人得到3星

Marco Reus 3星
Began the match well with a neat range of passes, but as the match wore on he was shifted into an unfamiliar striking role and struggled to impose himself.

但是对德国队替补的打分，比阿根廷的替补要高些，6人中5人得到2.5星-3星打分，仅有上场打了15分钟的克罗斯是2星

• Substitutions

Marc-Andre ter Stegen 2.5星
Became an instant hero by saving a Lionel Messi penalty and thwarted the 25-year-old once more late on and could do little about any of the goals.

Benedikt Höwedes 2.5星
Everything about the Schalke skipper indicates that he is ready to make the step up at international level. Was excellent when he came on and contributed a goal to his nation's cause. Should feature more.

Andre Schürrle 3星
Should have done enough to stake his claim as a starter by now. Was always willing to pick the perfect pass, get into shooting positions and deserves better than a place on the bench.

Ilkay Gündogan 2.5星
Another player who came on when Germany were lagging and struggled to make any sort of impact.

Toni Kroos 2星
Introduced with just over 15 minutes to go and showcased some imaginative play. Set up Howedes' strike excellently.

Mario Götze 2.5星
Came on with 20 minutes to play, but by this point there was little he could do to save his team.

阿根廷果冻

现在中场防守还是个问题

但是要把防守全都交给小马和加戈，这又是一个奇怪的思维

天使和索萨，如果不能常回来协防小马和加戈，去帮助补防两肋空挡的话，那问题和隐患依然不会有多大解决 ...
北极狐 发表于 2012-8-17 11:10

加戈不知道能否换成坎特罗斯或者蒂诺？
总感觉坎特罗斯好像还蛮不错的

北极狐

加戈不知道能否换成坎特罗斯或者蒂诺？
总感觉坎特罗斯好像还蛮不错的
阿根廷果冻 发表于 2012-8-17 11:36

加戈在中场攻防转换中渡让作用还是很好的。

goal网打分虽低，但评语不差，而且他是左中右跑动；缺点，goal网没提到他的防守，而是说面对少1人德国队，加戈位置反而保守些，他应该在帮助进攻上做得更多。

显然，老外看问题角度和俺们不一样

北极狐

加戈不知道能否换成坎特罗斯或者蒂诺？
总感觉坎特罗斯好像还蛮不错的
阿根廷果冻 发表于 2012-8-17 11:36

坎特罗斯，俺不熟

你说的第二个人是蒂诺·科斯塔吧，他跟小马搭配过吗？他的远射不错，但是位置感如何？防守如何？不得而知

重要的是教练要给他机会来试试的

阿根廷果冻

所以说，离14年还有2年时间，感觉除了费尔南德斯，萨巴莱塔，小马，前场攻击4人组位置比较稳之外，其余的位置，都希望实用的萨贝拉能挖掘出更好的人选

北极狐

裁判员严格执行规则把德国罚下一人，其实是毁了阿根廷队一次不错的热身机会。

如果世界杯裁判也能这么公正我就太高兴了，友谊赛实在高兴不起来，反而更难过。因为我知道那些漂亮配合在正式大赛遇到11个人的德国队很 ...
铁帅 发表于 2012-8-16 19:58

正式的大赛，裁判能这么按章办事当然好了

可是这场比赛，也不是商业比赛吧，不会为了照顾大牌明星而取悦一方球迷吧

在德国队主场，裁判对主队判点球和红牌，按照俺们思维定势，那更应该考虑主队便利和面子问题了，可是事实并非如此。

只能说这名老外主裁判，基本上死脑经按规则办事，因为人家是毫不犹豫掏牌的。

事实上，赛后报道中，俺看到的老外标题中一个也没有提及10人德国队字样，也罕见谈及裁判的判点和红牌负面影响的。

纠缠于此的，全是中文媒体，和天朝的球迷。很奇怪的思维和价值取向。

北极狐

其实。。原来youtube上有个视频研究巴萨的三角短传，最后的结论是。。。任意三个人无论怎么传，它都是个三角形。。。看的是这三角形的大小了，等不等边，就是巴萨每个人和梅西保持的距离 ...
潘帕斯海盗 发表于 2012-8-16 20:05

巴萨的三角短传历史悠久了

远的不说，就说从瓜开始，也有三年多演练了，能不娴熟吗？！

呵呵

阿根廷队有此好的迹象，还是值得肯定，以期变为由阿根廷特色的三角短传来

阿根廷以前就有行云流水和短传渗透两大特色

北极狐

分析球队实力罗列硬铁赛事结果是必须的，但凡是没有刨除友谊赛结果的，永远分析不出正确实力。不服的话大赛等着瞧。这几届世界杯、美洲杯的大赛结果每次都证明了我赛前的分析。 ...
铁帅 发表于 2012-8-16 20:19

现在，并未以此去判断阿根廷队实力的，而是说出现了好的迹象。

不能仅从老眼光或者静态和端点的角度来看问题，质变需要量变的。

北极狐

路透社报道题目很有意思的

Tidy Argentina finally bring out the best in Messi

大概是说，进攻有序的阿根廷队终于可以为梅西创造最佳环境了

全文如下：
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Tidy Argentina finally bring out the best in Messi
Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:55am GMT
By Brian Homewood

FRANKFURT (Reuters) - After a rollercoaster ride under Diego Maradona followed by Sergio Batista's failed attempts to imitate Barcelona, Argentina are once again beginning to look a threat to the world's top sides.

This time last year, the blue-and-white striped shirt appeared to act as a millstone around Lionel Messi's neck, transforming him into a forlorn figure shorn of his Barcelona exuberance.

Since then, coach Alejandro Sabella has found a formation which, although still vulnerable at the back, is capable of giving Messi the ball in his favourite position around 25 metres from goal, allowing him cause mayhem among opposing defences.

Argentina have won their last five games, continuing the run with their 3-1 win away to Germany on Wednesday, and Messi has scored nine times in those matches, including two hat-tricks.

Despite missing a penalty, Messi led the Argentine attack, got on the scoresheet in the second half and helped the South Americans create a hatful of chances, albeit against a German side down to 10 men since the 31st minute.

"The good thing is that we have managed to win a number of games in a row," Messi told Argentine media. "We've been inconsistent now for several years, but now we seem to have found our way."

Argentina's instability set in after the 2006 World Cup when Jose Pekerman decided not to continue following the quarter-final penalty shootout defeat to Germany.

He was replaced by the Alfio Basile, an old romantic who, with his slicked-back hair and gravel voice, might have stepped out of a 1950s tango club.

Basile based his side around the mercurial Juan Roman Riquelme but, increasingly seen as old-fashioned and out of touch by his players, quit in 2008 following a string of World Cup qualifying draws.

That opened the door for Maradona, who was swept in on a wave of popular demand.

His presence turned the side into something of a circus, providing huge entertainment value, but he often appeared lost as a coach and a series of defeats left them in danger of missing out on the 2010 World Cup.

Eventually, they qualified but were thrashed 4-0 by Germany in the quarter-finals. Maradona quit in a row with the federation over his coaching staff.

Amid all of this, Messi struggled to reproduce his club form, leading to some vitriolic criticism which even questioned his patriotism.

Batista, Maradona's replacement, never solved the riddle either, despite saying he wanted Argentina to play like Barcelona.

Having conducted all sorts of experiments, the 1986 World Cup-winning midfielder was unceremoniously fired after Argentina were knocked out of last year's Copa America in the quarter-finals on home soil.

Sabella, thrown in at the deep end one year ago, started badly with a 1-0 defeat to Venezuela in the World Cup qualifiers but has since steadied the ship.

He has settled Sergio Romero as the goalkeeper, a four-man defence with Federico Fernandez and Ezequiel Garay forming the partnership at the centre, and Javier Mascherano and Fernando Gago patrolling the area in front of them.

It may not be the strongest defence in the world, but with Argentina's wealth of attacking riches, it does not have to be.

Against the Germans, Real Madrid's left-footed winger Angel Di Maria was employed on the right, himself producing some mesmerising moments, with Gonzalo Higuain as a genuine number nine and Messi playing slightly behind.

Sabella added Sergio Aguero to the mix after halftime, Messi thrived and the Germans simply could not cope.

"In the second half, Messi combined well with Aguero who gave him more options," he said.

"We played as a team," added Sabella, something which has not always been the case in the recent past.

© Thomson Reuters 2012 All rights reserved

http://af.reuters.com/article/idAFJOE87F04820120816?sp=true

北极狐

所以当时贝尔萨、老马友谊赛都赢了德国的时候你们信心也同样的迷恋、热赞。

而佩克尔曼遭你们讨厌就在于这点。佩帅友谊赛就是纯用来练兵，大赛才知道了哪种套路管用。

每次看到阿根廷教练友谊赛拼命维护结果， ...
铁帅 发表于 2012-8-16 20:07

老马与贝尔萨，区别很大的

老马不是专业教练，凭的是直觉，接收时又是非常时期，结果不说了。但是他上任以来有海选啊，“绝世闻名”，肿么能说没有练兵呢？呵呵

贝氏是专业教练，也有自己的足球思想和风格，而用谁不用谁，早就心里有主的。

老马也给国米三杰都有机会的，只是最终带去了岩石，很纳闷的是岩石并未像友谊赛打德国时那样出现在最重要的比赛里，至今是个迷！

说道老马10世界杯上打德国时排兵布阵，确与友谊赛有出入、思路也不同，但这与你所说重视友谊赛而大赛胡乱排兵，还不是一回事。

打德国队排兵布阵，显然受了大胜墨西哥的影响，战术上和场上所体现的轻敌思想也罢，重攻轻守思想也罢，以老马球员时对德大赛的1胜1负经历来讲，他绝对不会一点不重视德国人的

刀客

所以当时贝尔萨、老马友谊赛都赢了德国的时候你们信心也同样的迷恋、热赞。

而佩克尔曼遭你们讨厌就在于这点。佩帅友谊赛就是纯用来练兵，大赛才知道了哪种套路管用。

每次看到阿根廷教练友谊赛拼命维护结果， ...
铁帅 发表于 2012-8-16 20:07

好好的一篇帖子，慢慢又要变成了对哪个教练更喜好的争论了，无聊

北极狐

好好的一篇帖子，慢慢又要变成了对哪个教练更喜好的争论了，无聊
刀客 发表于 2012-8-17 12:45

谢谢提醒

向前看，不要老纠结于过去

Alex2011

感觉阿根廷队换人练兵，还是保守些

德国队替补，普遍比首发主力表现要好些
替补门将扑救了点球
替补后卫胡德维斯打进1球
替补中场\攻击手格策送上助攻
替补许尔勒比厄齐尔表现好多了

相反阿根廷队替补，仅昆上去后带来进2球好运，他也在其中都扮演了不小作用，使得首发梅西、瓜和天使，能在进攻中有机结合起来，其他三人在其各自位置上没有发挥明显作用的，当然比主力还要差些

hxchn

萨贝拉本质上不是在维护结果，而是在维护和延续球队的打法，如果真的想稳稳赢下比赛，他下半场根本不必撤下索萨变阵，现在和佩克尔曼时代的情形大不相同了，那个时候阿根廷球员整体跑动的意识尚在，球队怎么调也不 ...
showfun 发表于 2012-8-16 21:07

完全同意，萨贝拉就是在通过为数不多的友谊赛机会磨练球队的配合意识，暂时是没办法锻炼新人了，以后再等机会吧。

hxchn

萨贝拉本质上不是在维护结果，而是在维护和延续球队的打法，如果真的想稳稳赢下比赛，他下半场根本不必撤下索萨变阵，现在和佩克尔曼时代的情形大不相同了，那个时候阿根廷球员整体跑动的意识尚在，球队怎么调也不 ...
showfun 发表于 2012-8-16 21:07

完全同意，萨贝拉就是在通过为数不多的友谊赛机会磨练球队的配合意识，暂时是没办法锻炼新人了，以后再等机会吧。

chicken24

蒂诺·科斯塔现在和加哥在搭档