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26#
发表于 2006-8-18 16:04:00 | 只看该作者
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以下是引用Recuerdos在2006-8-18 11:58:00的发言:

是滴,回来了,累死了...16号马卡,基克希望结束ayala事件.

俱乐部加强了进攻线的同时(加强了吗??),基克希望加强防守力量.

如果瓦伦想夺冠,他们就需要阿亚拉.阿比奥而和那瓦罗都没有足够的欧战经验.

目前埃尔格拉和安德拉德都进入了瓦伦的视线.

埃尔格拉和安德拉德这几天传得都不多

反而瓦伦想要华金的消息满天飞

阿队的事什么时候才能解决嘛``T_T`````

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 楼主| 发表于 2006-8-18 20:32:00 | 只看该作者

ayala的事情没完没了,我现在担心的是潜艇的忍耐力,毕竟赛季快开始了,谁也不希望转会市场关闭时潜艇的中卫问题还得不到解决,他们也没有多少时间在ayala的身上拖沓了.

华金已经走到了瓦伦西亚的家门口,今日马卡说洛佩斯同意放了华金并为他定价为1800W加上雷盖罗.

这个价码并不过分,现在也许瓦伦需要做的只是做好雷盖罗的思想工作然后等着华金来体检.瓦伦真是捡了个大便宜,华金的交易一旦达成,俱乐部的心腹大患,右路问题也完美解决,他们在转会问题上也更有底气了.

他们怎么就米有贝蒂斯人的觉悟呢???

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 楼主| 发表于 2006-8-19 00:08:00 | 只看该作者

阿尔贝尔达:阿亚拉事件中我们犯了许多错误

[as /18.08.2006]

瓦伦西亚队长阿尔贝尔达在接受采访中拒绝对ayala事件发表意见,尽管他指出"球员和俱乐部都犯了很多错误."

"ayala的事情是复杂的,我们处在一个困难的情形下,因为ayala是我们的队友,我们很难评价他的价值,因为没有人了解全部的历史."他表示.

Albelda说当一个球员认为他的和约已经完成然后离开球队是"life law",他说他不喜欢俱乐部现在的气氛.

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没什么新意的新闻.....现在都懒得看这些东西了.....无聊,无趣,无所适从.....

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发表于 2006-8-19 07:12:00 | 只看该作者

各位告诉我,

到底是怎么回事???我越来越迷糊!!!

不是说还有一年合同吗,为什么要签新合同? 如果不签新合同,降薪又是怎么回事?

最坏的情况,和俱乐部闹翻,不能上场也不能转会。俱乐部还是要执行以前的合同付阿队一年工资,是不是?

如果这样,就去他一边的,阿队回家乡好好修养一年,让那混帐俱乐部白掏一年钱!

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发表于 2006-8-19 10:13:00 | 只看该作者

首先非常高兴看到Rec斑竹的回归

其次,阿队的事情希望快点解决呀

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发表于 2006-8-19 11:35:00 | 只看该作者
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以下是引用joey_zhou在2006-8-19 07:12:00的发言:

各位告诉我,

到底是怎么回事???我越来越迷糊!!!

不是说还有一年合同吗,为什么要签新合同? 如果不签新合同,降薪又是怎么回事?

最坏的情况,和俱乐部闹翻,不能上场也不能转会。俱乐部还是要执行以前的合同付阿队一年工资,是不是?

如果这样,就去他一边的,阿队回家乡好好修养一年,让那混帐俱乐部白掏一年钱!

通常还有一年合同的时候俱乐部都会与球员续约的,避免明年成了自由身跑掉一个子都捞不到。

事情的经过实在不愿意说的```哎````

最坏的打算我们是说得容易,但阿队已经33岁了,等不起这个一年```````

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 楼主| 发表于 2006-8-19 13:46:00 | 只看该作者

索勒尔同意了洛佩斯的报价,现在只要雷盖罗点头,华金的转会交易就可达成.

看来最终瓦伦西亚还是华丽地解决了右路问题.....

joey同学的问题我们也说了不少遍了,下面转几个瓦伦当地球迷的贴子,看看他们的看法.

to clarify things:

Former sporting director Javier Subirats was the one who promised Ayala the 2 year contract extension with a higher salary. He was then fired and Carboni took the post. He and president Soler sat then and drew up some rules, policys and guidelines the club will follow. One being the policy of not raising the salary of players over 32 when extending their contracts. They expected Ayala to understand and follow this but he instead demanded the salary he was promised by Subirats. And from there it went downhill...
I can see both sides of the argument but surely Valenciia can see El Raton is not your average 32 yr old and that he's still a giant in defence. This stubborness has cost Valencia before, plus until a replacement is found then Ayala is still needed in the team, or else Marchena, if that was the solution then it is compromising Valencia IMO. Plus Albiol can learn a lot off Ayala
Sad really how bad things have gone. He's always seemed to be wanting to leave but was somehow always convinced to stay but I guess this time things have gone too far.

Couple of seasons back he was pushing for a move to Madrid but the board rejected that and convinced him to stay with a new deal. This time, you can't blame the player.. and you can't blame the board either. He's a professional looking for a secure future until he retires while the board want to contain the wage budget and paying alot for a 34/35 year old doesn't seem sensible..

Goodbye and Good luck Ayala! Fantastic player who served us well, let's leave it at that.. Hope he doesn't join Villarreal though, we don't want to make our rivals stronger, do we?
I wouldn´t really mind if he went to Villarreal, it´s not like he´s going to Madrid for christs sake!
i think villareal are offering good money and the board should sell to them as bolton are giving less money.also the player does'nt want to ove to bolton.he agent has infact stated that if ayal's wishes are not respected he will end his contract at valencia without playing
That might be true BUT lets not forget that he continually wanted to move to either Barca or Madrid, so IMO, he should be the last one talking about feeling 'betrayed', he's a professional and is in it for money and trophies, thats it he doesn't really have to talk about 'desire' 'betrayal' etc. after looking for a move every other season, if it was up to him and his desire, he would probably be plaing in Barcelona and Madrid right now..

This has really been a sad summer for me, first my favourite player leaves andnow my favourite defender is leaving aswell..
Ayala actually feigned an injury for 2 months a couple of years ago when we turned down a lucrative offer from Real Madrid. He is no saint by all means! but nor is president Soler .
i thnik the management should have thought that if ayala refuses to stay what would be an alternative,looks like the management thought that he will agree......i really feel that valencia made a mistake by not using aimar to get gaby milito
valencia have treated ayala atrociously.

he's the best defender in the world.

they're lucky to have him.

of course he wanted to sign for bigger clubs.

they should pay him what he's worth.
you guys obviously didn't watch the world cup, ayala was magnificent, 33 years old, two cartilege operations in the same season, yet he was easily argentina's star performer.

it's his last contract and he deserves his due, he's stayed at valencia when he was good enough to be at any club in the world, everyone knows that, whatever the circumstances, it's v rare for a player of his calibre not to leave valencia, you have to accept that there are bigger clubs, not many, but a few.

all that time, you had one of the best three defenders in the world.

for the last two years of his career, give him what he wants, i.e. what he was promised.

two la ligas, two champs league finals, the uefa cup.

the guy is a legend for you guys.

period.
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 楼主| 发表于 2006-8-19 13:52:00 | 只看该作者
what Ayala was promised from our former sporting director Javier Subirats is not valid anymore. well, at least that's what Carboni and Soler feels. Ayala ofcourse feels the promise should stand.

This is where the crack began.. now both parties are acting like school children. "he called me that, and this" "i wanna go hoooomeeee" etc, etc.

When Carboni came in instead of Subirats, he and Soler came up with policys and guidelines for the club. By giving Ayala his extension with that wage he wants would be to break one of these policys.

Now this is where Valencia fans are divided. Should the club change one of their policys to incorporate a new extension for Ayala with the high wage (and be prepared for other players to ask the same) or should they stand firm on their policys and believes that no player is bigger than the club, no matter if he's top 3 defender in the world.
in my opinion, the idiots in charge of valencia can stick to their new policy without compromising it, all they have to say is that they will honour the promise made to ayala by the old regime but in terms of new deals for other players negotiated w the new regime, there is a new wage structure, that way everybody is happy, it really is that easy.

the truth is, the guys in charge of your club are disrespecting a guy who really is worth a bit extra to keep him happy, if you want to be a top club you have to have top players.

i repeat, this is ayala's last contract as a professional, he wants a two year deal that will see him reach 35. he wants a big pay day and i can't blame him for that, after all, he is the top at what he does, it would be a great shame if he didn't end his career w valencia on good terms but that is unlikely now because the idiots in the boardroom have managed to antagonise him, they are stupid, even if they thought he was being a bit unreasonable, you reward your star performers, your loyal performers, and you don't let them build any animosity towards the club if you want to get the best out of them.

valencia have been stupid.
Ayala claims that. President Soler denies that. They're acting like school children.. no one can be sure what is true because now they're only out to bash eachother. Silly really..
Yes, thats true.
Its sad to see Ayala ending his time at Valencia like this, after all this years and thropies.

Still, if what Soler says its true, it doesnt change much, because:

1) If the SD promised that its because he had the authority to do so, and he didnt surpass his faculties at that moment.
2) The mangement changed the club policy after the agreement.
3) The SD represents the club, and at the moment of the agreement that limit to the player's wage did not exist.
4) If you cannot trust in the SD's word, you cannot trust in the club.
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 楼主| 发表于 2006-8-19 14:00:00 | 只看该作者

同时我在那个论坛上看到了这样的签名图片

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发表于 2006-8-19 20:51:00 | 只看该作者
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以下是引用尤利西斯在2006-8-19 11:35:00的发言:

通常还有一年合同的时候俱乐部都会与球员续约的,避免明年成了自由身跑掉一个子都捞不到。

事情的经过实在不愿意说的```哎````

最坏的打算我们是说得容易,但阿队已经33岁了,等不起这个一年```````

说来说去,还是新合同(一年以后的合同)谈不拢,是这么回事吗?

实在忍不住要骂人了,明年阿队都34了,为俱乐部卖了这么多年命,最好的年华都给了俱乐部,难道风烛残年了连个自由身都不愿给人家!非得把人最后一滴血汗榨出来!

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发表于 2006-8-19 20:55:00 | 只看该作者
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以下是引用Recuerdos在2006-8-19 14:00:00的发言:

同时我在那个论坛上看到了这样的签名图片

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哈哈哈,我放声大笑!

如果阿队真的是唯利是图,那么他是这个世界上最愚蠢的唯利是图。在他的职业生涯黄金世代不唯利是图,到了职业末期,风烛残年的时候到变得唯利是图了!

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37#
发表于 2006-8-19 20:59:00 | 只看该作者

我想起中学里学过的一篇文章,包身工。

我感觉阿队现在就是一个高级包身工。

把一辈子最好的年华都献给俱乐部了。到了风烛残年,还连个自由身都讨不到。非得把最后一滴血汗都榨出来不可。

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38#
发表于 2006-8-20 00:25:00 | 只看该作者

出去了一趟,一回来就看到这种消息。。。

万恶的瓦伦呀!!!~~~

祝福阿队,一定要好好的啊~

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 楼主| 发表于 2006-8-20 00:42:00 | 只看该作者

这事情已经不是骂个瓦伦就解决了的。。。

联赛马上就要开始了,我越来越觉得希望渺茫,过一天就少了一丝希望,西班牙网站这两天甚至连他的消息都没有了。大家都还有多少耐心继续消磨?

明早大概就能看到coco的大名单了。。。

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40#
发表于 2006-8-20 00:43:00 | 只看该作者
人都没走就茶凉,商业化的运作,让人名利双收也时刻诠释着什么叫残酷.
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发表于 2006-8-20 11:12:00 | 只看该作者
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以下是引用Recuerdos在2006-8-20 00:42:00的发言:

这事情已经不是骂个瓦伦就解决了的。。。

联赛马上就要开始了,我越来越觉得希望渺茫,过一天就少了一丝希望,西班牙网站这两天甚至连他的消息都没有了。大家都还有多少耐心继续消磨?

明早大概就能看到coco的大名单了。。。

名单已经公布。

阿队落选。

萨队也落选。

整个后防线要重建了。

理智上理解,感情上比较难以接受。。。

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发表于 2006-8-20 20:45:00 | 只看该作者

Valencia to suspend Ayala for a month


Roberto Ayala, here for Argentina (Action Images)
Roberto Ayala, here for Argentina (Action Images)
Written by: Jonathan Roorda
VALENCIA, Aug 20 (SW) - Valencia CF will be suspending defender Roberto Ayala for one month, according to Spanish sportspaper Marca.

Last week, Ayala expressed his feelings about the contract negotiations with the club.

"It was my dream to end my career at Valencia, but now that won't happen because some people don't do what they promise. Soler and Carboni (Valencia managers) don't exist anymore for me.

"After the match with Osasuna (last match of the 2005-06 season), I agreed to a deal with Soler. He gave me his hand and told me 'yes' when speaking about a two-year deal.

"But since then, the club hasn't signed anything and nothing has changed. Carboni wanted to negotiate again about what has been decided."

According to Marca, Valencia will be suspending the Argentinian for thirty days, during which the player will not get paid.
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 楼主| 发表于 2006-8-20 22:20:00 | 只看该作者

刚刚回来,还没完全弄清楚发生了什么事情

PICCER的新闻就是把几天前ayala接受采访抨击卡波尼和索勒尔的话重复了一遍,重要内容一句话

瓦伦西亚决定暂时停止和阿亚拉的合同一个月,在这一个月内阿亚拉将拿不到薪水!!!!!!

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发表于 2006-8-20 22:32:00 | 只看该作者
一个月的薪水怎么也有10w USD 吧,不是小数字。sigh一个,继续关注动态。
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 楼主| 发表于 2006-8-20 22:37:00 | 只看该作者

大哭,哪里是什么一个月薪水的事啊,西甲马上就开始了,转会市场即将关闭,岗萨洛受伤,本来潜艇的中卫问题就没有解决,这下雪上加霜.一旦ayala去不了潜艇(可能性极大),对潜艇和ayala本身的打击都是巨大的....

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 楼主| 发表于 2006-8-20 23:52:00 | 只看该作者
QUOTE:
以下是引用joey_zhou在2006-8-20 11:12:00的发言:

阿队落选。

萨队也落选。

整个后防线要重建了。

理智上理解,感情上比较难以接受。。。

新教练上任多招入新人是正常的

倒是要了那个我没听说过的墨西哥踢球的老将让我无法理解,后防此次大换血,小牛没进我有点失望,难不成coco爷爷打算让bilos去打中锋了? 在boca倒也是看过他顶上去打中锋,感觉还是8如边路的说.....

我倒是更关心小岗的伤....

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 楼主| 发表于 2006-8-21 00:18:00 | 只看该作者
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以下是引用豆丁叔叔在主论坛的发言:

他的能力无庸质疑,但椰子已事先告之将不予征召,以便他能集中精力解决与瓦伦西亚俱乐部之间的纷争。

这个理由真是好安慰的说....但素瓦伦根本就没有解决的意思,让我很是郁闷...

PS: coco爷爷虾米时候告知的?也8和偶商量一下...  []

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发表于 2006-8-21 03:03:00 | 只看该作者
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以下是引用Recuerdos在2006-8-20 22:20:00的发言:

瓦伦西亚决定暂时停止和阿亚拉的合同一个月,在这一个月内阿亚拉将拿不到薪水!!!!!!

我不懂!

瓦伦怎么和霸王一样!

阿队拒绝上场了吗? 如果没有,凭什么停人家薪水!

老天,难道要上法庭了吗?

老天呀,你保佑阿队吧!

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发表于 2006-8-21 03:06:00 | 只看该作者
QUOTE:
以下是引用Recuerdos在2006-8-21 00:18:00的发言:

这个理由真是好安慰的说....但素瓦伦根本就没有解决的意思,让我很是郁闷...

PS: coco爷爷虾米时候告知的?也8和偶商量一下...  []

我也看到了。

本来指望阿队到国家队开心一下,他最近太苦了。

呜呜呜呜呜。。。

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 楼主| 发表于 2006-8-21 03:08:00 | 只看该作者
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以下是引用joey_zhou在2006-8-21 03:03:00的发言:

阿队拒绝上场了吗?

是的,不仅拒绝上场。。拒绝下赛季参加比赛。。。

建议JJ把原来几天的新闻拿出来看看吧。。。

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