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11-12 ZM专贴(拜仁1-1蓝军:客队赢得点球大战)

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326#
发表于 2011-10-12 21:59:51 | 只看该作者
其实这场球阿根廷真正的问题不是排了三后卫

而是在进攻体系上出了问题

罗霍左前卫、索萨前腰、迪-马里亚后腰,这三个用人都是相当大的疑问手

本来3421就不是操练成熟的战术,再把个别位置的人员乾坤大挪移,造成进攻完全滞涩

后期的三个换人,都是为了纠正之前的错误,可惜在70分钟以后,场上球员的思维已经形不成合力了



归根结底,布局之错造成步步被动
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发表于 2011-10-12 22:08:47 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 pedro 于 2011-10-12 22:28 编辑
90哥有些误会萨韦利亚了,三后卫战术是他一直以来想在国家队尝试的,非托大
但有一点,萨韦利亚低估了委内瑞拉在主场的战斗力,也低估了客场的难度,相比首战智利,这场的准备不充分

比赛我非常仔细的看了,整场比 ...
弗爵爷 发表于 2011-10-12 21:48


没有误会

上半场我还为他变阵叫好呢,一度阿根廷对局势控制很少有这么从容了。

但你看看我在上半场结束后不久写的那个帖子,原来题目叫,“既然打三后卫,罗霍和萨瓦使用是有问题的,后来在下半场为结束前就改成了”审时度势是教练明智所为”。

最初说的是,罗霍和萨瓦打边前卫对三后卫战术中攻击其实是无助的,由于自身能力问题,这是要在下半场就换换的,用古铁或者佩罗蒂换罗霍,用盖坦换下萨瓦或者索萨,甚或西瓜也可以被阿奎罗换下,或者阿奎罗换下索萨。

但是随着丢球,主教练还在使用罗霍、索萨和萨瓦等人,等到不得已换下萨瓦,却换上巴内加,将天使推向左边卫,但是天使这时因为体能问题还是对方严密防守亦无冲击力也难以从边路撕开缺口,而回到左后卫位置上罗霍,与天使在左肋上漏洞,在本场这个时候又被放大,进球如同上一场一样,都是左路定位球发出而乘乱破门。美洲杯上委队进四强,就是靠极品的定位球把握机会击溃对手(忘了那一场敌手,比分是4-3还是3-2)历史性闯进四强的

你看,为了避免罗霍在左后卫位置上献丑,将他提到左边卫,为了给他让路,又将天使破天荒地拉到了后腰位置上,这又不是打反击这么能发挥天使长处吗?最后不成时,又回归四后卫,但是就在回归四后卫不久,罗霍那一路漏洞最终被人抓住而重复上一场丢球悲剧。更惨的是,本场是人家打进第一球,也是唯一进球,当然人家此前此后都有机会进球的

算了不说了

可能这样说法有失偏颇吧:他的变阵只是为了不让罗霍和索萨出丑,但实际上更加出丑,当然也没有解决中场由攻转守时狼狈劲,其实上半场结束前主队偷袭几乎得手,这已经敲响了警钟。

但是偶觉得阿根廷教练,现阶段还真是偏执,好好防反不打,非要在客场试验新战术。你看,偶当时第一时间都分不清西瓜还是索萨是谁了,当然这与cctv给的镜头也有关,就是说他们的跑位是混乱的
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发表于 2011-10-12 22:13:27 | 只看该作者
327# pedro

打巴西,萨韦利亚没有用罗霍和索萨,但也是三后卫
这是他的战术思路,而不是为了包庇嫡系

为了巩固他自己的位置,该淡出主力阵容的人始终会淡出的,时间会说明一切
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发表于 2011-10-12 22:18:08 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 DanielCraig 于 2011-10-12 22:20 编辑

说换人只为索萨和罗霍 遮丑 这也太主观主义 扣帽子了

从他执教经历而言 根本就不可能的事情  你说他固执到是有点

萨维利亚现在脑子里就两套战术 都是为抢分准备的
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发表于 2011-10-12 22:21:36 | 只看该作者
那波里打三后卫,是因为其中场既有防守又有反击传球和突击能力,后场防守也不错,记得上一场打米兰,那个阿根廷中卫还打进1球里

巴萨打三后卫,也是有中前场反抢保护作减压,所以也只在主场敢这么大搞,客场这么搞只是最近1次也只取得1-0小胜
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发表于 2011-10-12 22:26:19 | 只看该作者
329# DanielCraig

你怎么解释,将罗霍推向左边前卫,将天使推向后腰,后来又将天使回归本位,罗霍也回归本位后,这一路则彻底哑火了呢,最后用小帕换下天使,又欲将中场推前,但后来连前场都被人家逼到禁区外围10-20米开外呢?

三后卫回归四后卫时,左边后卫表现更糟
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发表于 2011-10-12 22:39:56 | 只看该作者
其实这场球阿根廷真正的问题不是排了三后卫

而是在进攻体系上出了问题

罗霍左前卫、索萨前腰、迪-马里亚后腰,这三个用人都是相当大的疑问手

本来3421就不是操练成熟的战术,再把个别位置的人员乾坤大挪移,造成 ...
弗爵爷 发表于 2011-10-12 21:59


这个说法,完全赞同。

偶只是说,国家队不是哪个教练自留地,想搞试验不分场合和时机是不行的,拿积分才最重要的。友谊赛变变阵无关大碍,板鸭不是用新人还输给意大利呢

但世预赛第二场就这么不谨慎,则太不严谨了

如果06年佩克尔曼对阵德国队时,不上梅西叫严谨保守,不上兔子也可叫有顾虑,那么这两场世预赛新教练这么大胆调试罗霍和索萨位置,以及搞乱天使(他回归本位时已是强虏之末),而致梅西和西瓜无助于不顾,这该叫神马呢
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发表于 2011-10-12 22:46:41 | 只看该作者
索萨的位置我觉得在442体系下没啥问题,即使是这场352,他上半场的表现也是可以的,阿根廷就这么些人可以用,其他人拉来也不管用。至于罗霍,一对一防守差和高失误率是可以预见的,坚持用他恐怕就是担心定位球被砸而用他的头球,别以为这是个笑话,如果统计一下全队头球解围的数量,恐怕除了德米就是罗霍了,其他两个中卫基本没有。
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发表于 2011-10-12 22:59:26 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 pedro 于 2011-10-12 23:00 编辑
索萨的位置我觉得在442体系下没啥问题,即使是这场352,他上半场的表现也是可以的,阿根廷就这么些人可以用,其他人拉来也不管用。至于罗霍,一对一防守差和高失误率是可以预见的,坚持用他恐怕就是担心定位球被砸而 ...
showfun 发表于 2011-10-12 22:46


对不起,偶看到的是,上半场主队基本压出机会不多,阿根廷大多时间控制了中前场,即使丢球,也能反抢回来,但是到了上半场后半段,随着梅西等人打门几次被对方门将所化解,对手中路反击机会多了起来,就说警钟已敲响。偶曾说要想先取得进球的话,这两人得换换的,他们在进攻上的努力于事无补。

也就说几乎看不到罗霍和萨瓦在后场活动,大多都是当边前卫使用的
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发表于 2011-10-12 23:08:05 | 只看该作者
对不起,偶看到的是,上半场主队基本压出机会不多,阿根廷大多时间控制了中前场,即使丢球,也能反抢回来,但是到了上半场后半段,随着梅西等人打门几次被对方门将所化解,对手中路反击机会多了起来,就说警钟已敲 ...
pedro 发表于 2011-10-12 22:59


你说的和我说的有啥关系么?罗霍和索萨在442体系下发挥应该会略微好于352体系,这两个人本身能力不强是事实,但是并不是换了这个2个人就能有啥提高,352对边前卫和中前卫的压力是空前的,其他人拉来一样抓瞎
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发表于 2011-10-12 23:19:55 | 只看该作者
萨韦利亚上任以来,凡索萨在场的比赛我对他都特别关注,这两场预选赛,他的表现都好于罗霍(进攻端),有人说索萨是南郭先生有失公允。但索萨限于个人能力,无法梳理进攻并独立创造机会是客观存在的事实,他在进攻中的作用主要是几名杀手配合过程中的输送中转站,但是他确实没有使局面豁然开朗的能力。
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发表于 2011-10-12 23:28:34 | 只看该作者
萨韦利亚今后必须非常当心对罗霍的使用,他对于进攻的帮助比较巴蒂斯塔时期在不断减弱,而防守中暴露出的问题则越来越多。本场致命失球,罗霍负有非常明显的间接责任,这也是国家队交的学费。
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发表于 2011-10-12 23:42:03 | 只看该作者
萨韦利亚今后必须非常当心对罗霍的使用,他对于进攻的帮助比较巴蒂斯塔时期在不断减弱,而防守中暴露出的问题则越来越多。本场致命失球,罗霍负有非常明显的间接责任,这也是国家队交的学费。 ...
弗爵爷 发表于 2011-10-12 23:28

经过反复看丢球录像,好像最后盯人失误的也是罗霍,总之这个丢球从缘起到达成都和他有关系
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发表于 2011-10-12 23:59:17 | 只看该作者
经过反复看丢球录像,好像最后盯人失误的也是罗霍,总之这个丢球从缘起到达成都和他有关系
showfun 发表于 2011-10-12 23:42


巴萨本赛季西甲客场2次被逼平,欧冠主场被米兰逼平,其丢球都跟对方定位球有关系,起因还都跟边后卫失误有关系

皮克不在场,布少个子虽高,但起跳时还被对方席尔瓦所压住。

对此解决办法,最好是不给对方这样机会。

阿根廷队防守定位球或者高球,历来都有弱点,06年被德国所进扳平球就是如此。02年世界杯小组赛对北欧队伍是不是也在定位球吃亏了?那场比赛没看的

10年被穆勒所进头球,也是如此,不过定位球起因是打右后卫的奥塔门第犯规所送的机会

11年美洲杯被乌拉圭所进领先1球,也是定位球所致,不过所发位置在中路偏右,丢球时却在左侧

这一次发定位球是在右路,与上一场有相近地方,而最终丢球是在禁区中路空档处吧(没有复盘的)

委队前不久美洲杯上能历史性打进四强,靠的就是定位球制胜,而且提气的就是还能靠此绝技实现大逆转。但是这两场比赛,阿根廷都送给对方较多的定位球机会,智利也获得不少吧,只是他们悲剧的是没有像委队那样先做好防守而先丢了过多的球
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 楼主| 发表于 2011-10-13 06:48:06 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 Alex2011 于 2011-10-13 06:58 编辑

France 1-1 Bosnia: Bosnia dominate first half, France lucky to get back in the game late on
October 12, 2011


The starting line-ups

Bosnia were 15 minutes from topping the group, but Samir Nasri’s late penalty put France into Euro 2012.

Laurent Blanc brought in Anthony Reveillere and Eric Abidal at the back, and Jeremy Menez came on down the right in a 4-2-3-1.

Safet Susic also went with a 4-2-3-1 – albeit with some important modifications, explained later.

Despite the result favouring France, Susic got things right tactically from the outset. Bosnia were much more of a force in the first half and can consider themselves unfortunate to have lost the lead late on – they allowed France few clear chances, though rash tackles meant set-pieces were always likely to be a way back into the game for the home side.

Bosnian pressure

Bosnia’s early dominance came because their players were much more comfortable on the ball, and small movements within the base formation allowed them to create passing angles around France. This started from the left-sided holding player Haris Medunjanin, who played very, very deep ahead of his own centre-backs, and often dropped in to the left of Emir Spahic. As a result, the full-backs could move on and force Florent Malouda and Jeremy Menez to defend – Mensur Mujdza had some early joy with overlapping runs down the right. It also meant that Medunjanin was always in space – with Nasri watching Elvir Rahimic and Yann M’Vila on Zvjezdan Misimovic, there was no way Yohan Cabaye was going to move all the way up the pitch to close down Medunjanin. The defensive players were all comfortable on the ball, and distributed it well to the midfielders.

The focus upon ball retention also came from higher up the pitch. Edin Dzeko was the lone striker but often dropped off into deeper positions between the centre-backs and M’Vila, ready for a short pass. In addition, Miralem Pjanic and Misimovic buzzed around trying to find pockets of space to receive the ball in, causing M’Vila and Patrice Evra to come away from their natural positions. Evra has looked weak positionally over the last few months, which is something opponents at club and international level can look to take advantage of.

All this movement towards the ball might have made Bosnia too predictable and too keen to play in front of France without any penetration, were it not for the energetic role of Senad Lulic, who motored up and down the left flank. He got caught offside too often, but at least he was providing that burst of energy past the defence.

Bosnia pressed from the front and nearly caught out France when playing short goal kicks, but the result was that they played a high defensive line, which was exploited by Loic Remy’s pace for a good chance, when he failed to get a shot away in a one-on-one situation. That was the only time France had showed good midfield interplay in the first half, as they’d struggled to get Nasri involved – too often they tried to exploit the high line with a long, straight ball.

France riposte

How did France get back into the game in the last half hour? Some credit must go to Laurent Blanc for some good substitutions. Malouda and Cabaye were removed. Marvin Martin was a straight swap for Cabaye and provided more creativity, and Kevin Gameiro came on upfront, with Remy going right, Menez going central, and Nasri going left.

It was those knock-on effects of the changes, rather than the changes themselves, that gave France hope. Nasri was no longer struggling to receive the ball in tight central positions, he was out on the left getting the ball played into feet and taking on defenders. Menez was central, so in theory should have suffered from the problems Nasri experienced, but then he is much happier to come deep, turn, then pick up the ball and run at speed. These two players drove France forward, and both looked more comfortable in their new positions.

Bosnia, however, were too submissive. At times they put Dzeko and Misimovic behind the ball and created a block of ten players to play through. Fine – but when Bosnia had been causing the French defence such problems, it seemed a waste to ask Dzeko to sit behind the ball. “Attack is the best form of defence” doesn’t quite explain it – “some threat of an attack might help the defence” would be more appropriate. France pushed high up and pressed Bosnia into their own third.

And then, after the equaliser, the situation changed and we saw a situation that happens so often – when a side reverts from a positive mindset to a defensive one, and then needs to recapture its attacking potential, it is completely unable to do so. Having played lovely football for the first half (and with all the front four still on the pitch) Bosnia were suddenly hopeless late on, resorting to the desperate tactic of sending a big tall defender, Sasa Papac, up the pitch to challenge for long balls. It didn’t work, and Bosnia face a play-off.

Conclusion

Bosnia were excellent for the majority of the game, but their shift to an all-out-defensive nature at a relatively early stage left them no possibility of getting up the pitch to score a second goal if it were needed. Which, in the end, it was. They essentially gambled on their defence being able to hold out for 20-25 minutes with a clean sheet – and, in fairness, the back four will feel that positionally they were rarely at fault. But that is the risk you take when counting on your defence – one moment of luck, a mistake or a piece of brilliance from the opposition can undo you. A side must retain attacking ambition as insurance for this.

France were decent, nothing more. Blanc is gradually moulding the side to be more confident on the ball and more cohesive, but they were the weaker side in both these respects. They improved after the substitutions, but as always in these situations when key players like Menez and Nasri end up performing better in different positions, did Blanc get his changes right, or his starting choices wrong?
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 楼主| 发表于 2011-10-13 06:48:38 | 只看该作者
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 楼主| 发表于 2011-10-13 06:49:24 | 只看该作者
本帖最后由 Alex2011 于 2011-10-13 06:55 编辑

Venezuela 1-0 Argentina: Sabella switches to three at the back; Argentina play terribly
October 12, 2011


The first half line-ups

Alejandro Sabella’s honeymoon didn’t last long, as Argentina looked completely disjointed in Puerto la Cruz.
Cesar Farias’ Venezuela were set out very similar to at the Copa America – 4-4-2 became 4-2-2-2 when in possession, with the same first choice XI used. There was one exception to this – Athletic Bilbao’s Fernando Amorebieta has taken up Venezuelan citizenship, and he turned out to be crucial, heading in the only goal from a corner.

Sabella brought Martin Demichelis into the centre of his defence, pushing the full-backs from the Chile game into wing-backs. Rodrigo Braña dropped out, Javier Mascherano returned, and Ever Banega was the casualty of Demichelis’ inclusion.

Clearly, the story here was Sabella getting things wrong. Farias continues to put out a well-drilled, organised side who defend solidly and break quickly – and their impressive ratio of turning set-piece situations into goals should be admired. That said, they did little special here – they stood off, sat back, and marvelled at the lack of attacking threat from an Argentina side that simply didn’t feature enough good, creative players getting into the final third.

Formation

First things first, formation. If you win a game 4-1 with a flat back four, and decide to switch to a back three/five just four days later and end up losing, you’re bound to come in for criticism. That would be a lazy and simplistic analysis of Sabella’s decision, since the choice was entirely logical considering the threat of Venezuela. They play two (near-enough) out-and-out strikers and hit the ball long, which makes a back three work well – two markers, one sweeper.

A slight problem comes from the fact that Venezuela’s wide midfielders come inside quickly into the centre of the pitch, where the Argentine wing-backs don’t really want to stray to, but the absence of a Venezuelan number ten, or attack-minded full-backs, meant the primary Argentina holder, Mascherano, could deal with that threat comfortably.

The goal Argentina conceded came from a set-piece, which was not a result of the formation. Indeed, if anything, the presence of an extra centre-back should have helped them in those situations. The problem with Sabella’s selection was not the back three in defensive terms.

Selection

The problem, rather, was the players he used within the formation. Bringing in Demichelis, amusingly described by one Argentine journalist as a ’synonym of doubt’, was a dreadful decision. The system wasn’t a cause for defensive nervousness, but Demichelis’ clumsiness was. If a back three was needed, then perhaps Zabaleta could have been brought in from the right – not ideal, but more reliable than Demichelis. A more natural centre-back would have been Federico Fernandez – it’s odd that Sabella is so keen to include his ex-Estudiantes players, but chose to play Demichelis over Fernandez.

Marcos Rojo did well down the left, but a more attack-minded player than Zabaleta could have been used down the right. Argentina were likely to be dominating the ball and needing thrust down the flanks. Jonas Gutierrez could have been used here, for example. Zabaleta is a willing runner, but very much a full-back shoved forward and poor in the final third. A combination of a natural left-back and a natural winger (Rojo and Gutierrez) may have been a nice balance on the flanks.

The real problem was in midfield. Mascherano was the holder, and the freest player on the pitch. He’s not known for his distribution, but did well on the ball – hitting nice passes out to Rojo on the left. Ahead of him was the confusion, as Angel Di Maria was moved back to a central midfield role that didn’t suit his qualities at all. He likes to drift from out to in, picking the ball up on the move and running at speed. Here, he was occupied by Tomas Rincon and contributed little.

The role of Jose Sosa was particularly baffling. What was he meant to be? Slightly left-sided, ahead of the midfield, deeper than Messi. Presumably he was meant to drift in from the left to join up with the front two, but then why not give that role to Di Maria, and play a true passer (like the dropped Banega) alongside Mascherano? It made little sense, especially considering the trio of Di Maria, Messi and Higuain combined well against Chile. That was broken up. At least Sosa distracted Cesar Gonzalez and Roberto Rosales slightly, allowing Rojo space which Zabaleta didn’t get on the other flank.

Venezuela stood off, and Argentina were sluggish with their passing from the back. Mascherano, as mentioned, did OK on the ball, but asking him to be the deep playmaker is unlikely to reap true rewards. Argentina should have had a distributor in the midfield, but the confused roles of Di Maria and Sosa was a complete waste of two players. Venezuela only had to be concerned with Messi and Higuain in the final third – as dangerous as they are, Venezuela coped because they weren’t overloaded with additional runners to allow the all-Clasico front two more space.

After the goal, Sabella introduced others. Banega finally came on (for Zabaleta) as Argentina went to 4-4-1-1ish – again there was a question over selection, since whilst Zabaleta was hardly a force down the right, he was more likely to provide overlaps than Nicolas Burdisso, who was moved there. Then came Rodrigo Palacio and Javier Pastore, who predictably replaced Di Maria and Sosa.

By this point, the formation was less important. Venezuela sat deep, so deep that it was no longer a match-up of formations. Messi and Pastore couldn’t find their way through, and Venezuela defended well enough to deserve the point.

Conclusion

Perhaps not enough credit given to Farias here, but even he would agree his side had to do very little to combat the threat of Argentina. You couldn’t get much more of a standard underdog victory. Two banks of four, long balls and set-pieces, and rely on the opposition being poor in the final third.

Sabella changed a winning side, which is a grave error in football clichéterms, but perfectly acceptable in reality. He shouldn’t be criticised for that, he should be criticised for his choice of personnel – which was so bad that even the chance to use three substitutes couldn’t save the situation.
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 楼主| 发表于 2011-10-13 06:53:18 | 只看该作者
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甚或连zm这种纯技术分析文章,也直言不讳指出萨贝拉选择何种阵型不该受指责,他要负责的是其用人上糟糕透顶

可见近20年来,阿根廷教练,其自私性一面的固陋和积重难返,是难以根除的,换哪个教练似乎都难逃此窠臼
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发表于 2011-10-13 09:54:35 | 只看该作者
我就翻译下阵型这一段吧

Formation

First things first, formation. If you win a game 4-1 with a flat back four, and decide to switch to a back three/five just four days later and end up losing, you’re bound to come in for criticism. That would be a lazy and simplistic analysis of Sabella’s decision, since the choice was entirely logical considering the threat of Venezuela. They play two (near-enough) out-and-out strikers and hit the ball long, which makes a back three work well – two markers, one sweeper.

首先谈阵型。如果你通过一条四后卫扁平站位的防线获得一场4—1的大胜,却在四天后决定变阵为3后卫/5后卫并最终输掉比赛,那么你必然将面对批评。但这是一种对萨贝拉的决定懒惰而简陋的分析,因为这是个面对委内瑞拉的威胁而做出的符合逻辑的选择。委内瑞拉打的是彻底的双中锋(相距很近)加长传战术,三后卫对付这种局面是很适合的:2个盯人后卫,1个清道夫。

A slight problem comes from the fact that Venezuela’s wide midfielders come inside quickly into the centre of the pitch, where the Argentine wing-backs don’t really want to stray to, but the absence of a Venezuelan number ten, or attack-minded full-backs, meant the primary Argentina holder, Mascherano, could deal with that threat comfortably.

一个小问题来自于委内瑞拉的边前卫会很迅速的切入中路攻击,而阿根廷的边后卫并不愿意跟防。但是委内瑞拉并没有设置10号前腰球员,也没有使用助攻型边后卫,这意味着阿根廷的中场防守球员马斯切拉诺能比较容易的对付对手的边前卫内切。

The goal Argentina conceded came from a set-piece, which was not a result of the formation. Indeed, if anything, the presence of an extra centre-back should have helped them in those situations. The problem with Sabella’s selection was not the back three in defensive terms.

阿根廷丢掉的一球来自于定位球,和阵型无关。虽然严格的说多一个中卫应该对这种情况有所帮助。萨贝拉的决策问题并非在于选择了在防守端采用三后卫阵型。

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“委内瑞拉打的是彻底的双中锋(相距很近)加长传战术,三后卫对付这种局面是很适合的:2个盯人后卫,1个清道夫。”

这点是比较可信的可以解释萨贝拉变阵的原因,也是我赛前所猜想的,用三后卫对付委内瑞拉的平行442阵型,罗霍和萨巴莱塔对付两个边前卫,这是一种典型的意大利足球思维,用ZM习惯的话来说,是一场战术对决而不是发挥自己。

然而,萨贝拉和球员在其他方面出了很大的问题。
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发表于 2011-10-13 10:01:51 | 只看该作者
ZM主要指出的就是索萨和迪马利亚颠倒乾坤的站位,完全废掉了这2个人。
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另外三中卫本来是对付长传的好办法,在盯人中卫顶住对方中锋的情况下,德米凯利斯在身后进行保护,可是比赛里对手的长传一打一个准,这说明阿根廷的后卫已经很难适应三后卫的战术了,理解和踢球习惯都有偏差
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我就翻译下阵型这一段吧

Formation

First things first, formation. If you win a game 4-1 with a flat back four, and decide to switch to a back three/five just four days later and end up losing, you’re ...
showfun 发表于 2011-10-13 09:54


很好的,辛苦了

简言之

三后卫阵型没有罪

关键是有些位置上选人和用人,背离了三后卫战术的初衷
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主要是布尔迪索和奥塔门迪在俱乐部打的都不是盯人那个角色,让这俩去盯人很失败
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